tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-420397513766201478.post2136964848377691617..comments2023-12-23T07:15:14.749-05:00Comments on Left of Centre: Elevating a Debate From Comments...veblenhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09947720720209037530noreply@blogger.comBlogger3125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-420397513766201478.post-26025277151648862822009-06-20T08:32:59.084-04:002009-06-20T08:32:59.084-04:00ScienceDirect's down, so there's no access...ScienceDirect's down, so there's no access to it now, but I seriously doubt looking at the paper would clear anything up, based on a look at some papers citing it. Essentially all the work appears to be based on self-reports by adolescents in cross-sectional surveys. The measurement and causal issues would taint any association found, imo.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-420397513766201478.post-28518292415221117182009-06-19T12:44:11.420-04:002009-06-19T12:44:11.420-04:00It reduces the likelihood of binge drinking compar...<em>It reduces the likelihood of binge drinking compared to providing alcohol for teenagers to drink in an unsupervised setting. </em><br />You're right this isn't worth spending too much time on. However, I was wondering if you have a copy of the Foley paper. It's not clear from the abstract what exactly they have found. <br /><em>Perceived consequences, <strong>parent and adult relative provision of alcohol, and drinking with a parent were protective of underage drinking.</strong> Providing alcohol at a party, however, was associated with a two-fold increase in past 30-day use and binge drinking. There were minimal differences on adults' approval across the three racial/ethnic groups.</em><br />That certainly makes it sound like drinking with family reduces alcohol abuse relative to the base case of children who are not provided any alcohol by family. The Propaganda Portal is not any less ambiguous on this. <br /><br />Anyway, a look at he paper would clear this up.veblenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09947720720209037530noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-420397513766201478.post-38506556961456982142009-06-18T21:24:28.126-04:002009-06-18T21:24:28.126-04:00Please, veblen. You're better than this.
&qu...Please, veblen. You're better than this.<br /><br />"This is in direct contradiction to the Foley, et. al. finding, which is that the relaxed European example of drinking with family reduces the likelihood of binge drinking."<br /><br />COMPARED TO WHAT??? It reduces the likelihood of binge drinking compared to providing alcohol for teenagers to drink in an unsupervised setting. <br /><br />The lead in the Penn State article is certainly not in direct contradiction to the finding from this study. The study makes a different comparison--not between zero tolerance and family drinking, but between family drinking and unsupervised drinking.<br /><br />I really don't wish to engage in a significant extension of the discussion, because my point is that you're spending too much time on it already. The PSU article certainly pushes beyond what the literature shows--although in a way that is actually more consistent with the evidence than the way you try to push the literature. But, this is not unlike about 95% of the psuedo-science/health writing in the usual newspaper. <br /><br />There are many things to legitimately criticize, and my point is that yanking the chain over this is silly.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com